Comments on: The Revolution of “Value” http://www.cloudid.com/2008/03/30/the-revolution-of-value/ David Usher's blog on art, technology and the communication revolution Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:41:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Eugene http://www.cloudid.com/2008/03/30/the-revolution-of-value/#comment-2632 Eugene Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:04:31 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=10#comment-2632 I am looking for some idea and stumble upon your posting :) decide to wish you Thanks. Eugene I am looking for some idea and stumble upon your posting :) decide to wish you Thanks. Eugene

]]> By: penny http://www.cloudid.com/2008/03/30/the-revolution-of-value/#comment-2631 penny Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:39:38 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=10#comment-2631 My 13 year old daughter loves to draw, and is an amazing artist. Sometimes she comes across old drawings and shows them to me, and says, "look how badly I used to draw, mom" and I try to tell her that none of her drawings are bad, that they all have value because they brought her to where she is now, and will continue to lead her into the future. All versions of the creative process have value, they all tell a story. I love the intimacy of the first version of your song, and the intensity of the second....they are both tremendously valuable! My 13 year old daughter loves to draw, and is an amazing artist. Sometimes she comes across old drawings and shows them to me, and says, “look how badly I used to draw, mom” and I try to tell her that none of her drawings are bad, that they all have value because they brought her to where she is now, and will continue to lead her into the future. All versions of the creative process have value, they all tell a story. I love the intimacy of the first version of your song, and the intensity of the second….they are both tremendously valuable!

]]> By: Tiffiny Chine http://www.cloudid.com/2008/03/30/the-revolution-of-value/#comment-2572 Tiffiny Chine Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:50:03 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=10#comment-2572 Yesterday, nothing had any value (to me). I failed to see any joy or hope in life at all. Today, I find value in absolutely everything I come in contact with. It all brings me joy. This leads me to believe there is no inherent value in anything at all. It would not exist if there was no one there to assign it. It is entirely up to the observer to find and discover the value that being alive has to offer. That is the joy of being human. We have eyes to see, hands to feel, lips to taste, a nose to smell, and beyond that are senses we are only beginning to explore. Life is a journey, every moment an experience, no experience or moment better or worse than the last. It simply is what you choose it to be. Choices create consequences. Peel back the layers and you might find value (if you choose). I often take for granted the simple things in life, failing to see the beauty of it all. I find plenty to complain about, the transit system, lineups, assholes cutting me off in traffic, my volkswagen beater. :) Its a noisy bugger. But would driving my dream car really fulfill me or bring me greater joy in the long run? Couldnt i walk and enjoy the exercise instead? Does doing one have more value than the other? Not really. A new car has a higher monetary value because it is assigned by the dealership. However, that is determined by the demand created by the consumer. Without the consumer, the vehicle would be worthless. When it comes to music or art, literature or technology, value can be found in all the parts that make up the whole. These processes that feed life into the end result be it a song, a painting, a novel or a computer program are all valuable and indespensible pieces of the work. The creator is the means by which something is made,and the medium is chosen to represent what the creator had in mind. The creation is a by-product of the creators experiences and that which he or she wishes to express. The process is what brings the creation into fruition. "The vessel is empty, yet that is its purpose". Yesterday, nothing had any value (to me). I failed to see any joy or hope in life at all. Today, I find value in absolutely everything I come in contact with. It all brings me joy. This leads me to believe there is no inherent value in anything at all. It would not exist if there was no one there to assign it. It is entirely up to the observer to find and discover the value that being alive has to offer. That is the joy of being human. We have eyes to see, hands to feel, lips to taste, a nose to smell, and beyond that are senses we are only beginning to explore. Life is a journey, every moment an experience, no experience or moment better or worse than the last. It simply is what you choose it to be. Choices create consequences. Peel back the layers and you might find value (if you choose). I often take for granted the simple things in life, failing to see the beauty of it all. I find plenty to complain about, the transit system, lineups, assholes cutting me off in traffic, my volkswagen beater. :) Its a noisy bugger. But would driving my dream car really fulfill me or bring me greater joy in the long run? Couldnt i walk and enjoy the exercise instead? Does doing one have more value than the other? Not really. A new car has a higher monetary value because it is assigned by the dealership. However, that is determined by the demand created by the consumer. Without the consumer, the vehicle would be worthless.

When it comes to music or art, literature or technology, value can be found in all the parts that make up the whole. These processes that feed life into the end result be it a song, a painting, a novel or a computer program are all valuable and indespensible pieces of the work. The creator is the means by which something is made,and the medium is chosen to represent what the creator had in mind. The creation is a by-product of the creators experiences and that which he or she wishes to express. The process is what brings the creation into fruition. “The vessel is empty, yet that is its purpose”.

]]> By: AL http://www.cloudid.com/2008/03/30/the-revolution-of-value/#comment-2569 AL Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:50:29 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=10#comment-2569 Money sucks! It's the catalyst to most wars, the reason for many murders and the root to all evil. (Of course if I had any i'd probably re-evaluate my thoughts on it). I love music in all it's forms. The works in progress,the studio recordings and the live performances all have a place on the grand $$$ scheme of things. For example, if I were to judge whether a piece of music was "worth the money" to spend on it I probably wouldn't have bought If God Had Curves at all. The reason being that, after hearing the songs live I felt they were far superior to the studio recording. (I bought it anyway) I love live shows and I would love to see someone go on tour with a bunch of unreleased songs, play them in concert and then record them! Now that would be an interesting (and bold) new aproach to writing an album. Money sucks! It’s the catalyst to most wars, the reason for many murders and the root to all evil. (Of course if I had any i’d probably re-evaluate my thoughts on it). I love music in all it’s forms. The works in progress,the studio recordings and the live performances all have a place on the grand $$$ scheme of things. For example, if I were to judge whether a piece of music was “worth the money” to spend on it I probably wouldn’t have bought If God Had Curves at all. The reason being that, after hearing the songs live I felt they were far superior to the studio recording. (I bought it anyway) I love live shows and I would love to see someone go on tour with a bunch of unreleased songs, play them in concert and then record them! Now that would be an interesting (and bold) new aproach to writing an album.

]]> By: Faith Aldaba http://www.cloudid.com/2008/03/30/the-revolution-of-value/#comment-62 Faith Aldaba Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:34:26 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=10#comment-62 value is what differentiates a person from another. value, just like beauty, is a very relative concept. But just like what my aesthetics professor taught me, however, the're concrete parameters that are available to evaluate certain art objects and art forms. goals, form, and meaning are what determine the value and beauty of an object. the cd, the final product, has the goal of not just to spread the music, but, to earn money for the musician and record companies as well. its value comes from the concept of mass production and profit. i dont want to sound very marxist but the main reason there are record companies is for the sole reason that music is very profitable. the cd, before it can be sold in a record store, must be very well planned and executed. target markets must be acquired, covers and labels must be designed, the artists must be "beautified" to add more appeal to the buyers, and to a certain extent image consultants are hired to improve not just the artist's but the music's marketabilty. it all boils down to the fact that musicians and record companies spends a lot of resources to create and release records for the hope of earning money in the end. we can say that one type of value of music could be attributed to its commercial and monetary value in this particular case. we could never be able ignore the fact however that beaneath all of the monetary and objective value of the cd, the music that resides within the digital sanctuaries of the final product, still has it own independent artistic value. artistic value in the sense that the song that is inside the cd came from something very sincere and very attached and connected to the artist who wrote the song. just like when someone looks into an original artwork in a gallery or museum, that overwhelming and warm feeling of connection with the painting is also present when one listens to a song that was just created and composed complete when all intents and emotions are still untarnished by the recording process. this is what i think is most valuable to me. and to answer your question david, yes the final version is wonderful however, to me, your first footage of and so we run is more valuable for its sincerity and certain "purity". XD value is what differentiates a person from another. value, just like beauty, is a very relative concept. But just like what my aesthetics professor taught me, however, the’re concrete parameters that are available to evaluate certain art objects and art forms. goals, form, and meaning are what determine the value and beauty of an object.

the cd, the final product, has the goal of not just to spread the music, but, to earn money for the musician and record companies as well. its value comes from the concept of mass production and profit. i dont want to sound very marxist but the main reason there are record companies is for the sole reason that music is very profitable. the cd, before it can be sold in a record store, must be very well planned and executed. target markets must be acquired, covers and labels must be designed, the artists must be “beautified” to add more appeal to the buyers, and to a certain extent image consultants are hired to improve not just the artist’s but the music’s marketabilty. it all boils down to the fact that musicians and record companies spends a lot of resources to create and release records for the hope of earning money in the end.

we can say that one type of value of music could be attributed to its commercial and monetary value in this particular case.

we could never be able ignore the fact however that beaneath all of the monetary and objective value of the cd, the music that resides within the digital sanctuaries of the final product, still has it own independent artistic value. artistic value in the sense that the song that is inside the cd came from something very sincere and very attached and connected to the artist who wrote the song. just like when someone looks into an original artwork in a gallery or museum, that overwhelming and warm feeling of connection with the painting is also present when one listens to a song that was just created and composed complete when all intents and emotions are still untarnished by the recording process. this is what i think is most valuable to me.

and to answer your question david, yes the final version is wonderful however, to me, your first footage of and so we run is more valuable for its sincerity and certain “purity”. XD

]]> By: Michael http://www.cloudid.com/2008/03/30/the-revolution-of-value/#comment-54 Michael Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:12:16 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=10#comment-54 Well, value is in the eye of the beholder as they say, or was that beauty. But you know what I mean. The whole is more than the sum of it's parts. Speed and quickness are more valuable to some people while quality and slower might be more valuable to others and everything in between. My concern with speed these days is that quality could be compromised in the process of trying to please more people. Of course, speed and quantity can be more financially rewarding but I think that the yin and yang of quality vs quantity always needs to be kept in everyones mind. Your music is great quality and you do produce, as they say, so I think you're finding a nice balance in your work and life, seems so at any rate. Well, value is in the eye of the beholder as they say, or was that beauty. But you know what I mean. The whole is more than the sum of it’s parts. Speed and quickness are more valuable to some people while quality and slower might be more valuable to others and everything in between. My concern with speed these days is that quality could be compromised in the process of trying to please more people. Of course, speed and quantity can be more financially rewarding but I think that the yin and yang of quality vs quantity always needs to be kept in everyones mind. Your music is great quality and you do produce, as they say, so I think you’re finding a nice balance in your work and life, seems so at any rate.

]]> By: Mel http://www.cloudid.com/2008/03/30/the-revolution-of-value/#comment-49 Mel Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:11:58 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=10#comment-49 i think that neither one is more valuable than the other but that together they show immense value. both videos show the process (part of the process, anyway) to what leads to the final product, whatever you finally decide will be on the album. this demonstrates the evolution of the song. that is value. i think that neither one is more valuable than the other but that together they show immense value. both videos show the process (part of the process, anyway) to what leads to the final product, whatever you finally decide will be on the album. this demonstrates the evolution of the song. that is value.

]]> By: yvette http://www.cloudid.com/2008/03/30/the-revolution-of-value/#comment-46 yvette Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:41:58 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=10#comment-46 Here is an interesting website on VALUE to bookmark http://www.valuesofthewise.com/Public/Home/index.cfm Here is an interesting website on VALUE to bookmark

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]]> By: Amanda http://www.cloudid.com/2008/03/30/the-revolution-of-value/#comment-45 Amanda Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:44:32 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=10#comment-45 I think that the value of this song, to me, is in the interaction you have with your fans. The involvment. You choose the song to broadcast throughout the process of making it. So to me it wouldn't have mattered what song it was. The value I get from it is in the interaction. It makes me keep wanting to listen, it makes me keep reading and trying to stay updated. The value comes more from you sharing the process with your fans. It wouldn't have mattered what song you chose. Choosing a song that matters to you, I believe matters to your fans. This online blogging and interacting and the fact that we know it is you writing and telling us about all of it... that is what really matters. You make amazing music, you have great band who your fans can see you work well with and you make magic in all of your songs, in your own unique way. "And So We Run" has this sort of new and exciting value because of the effort you put into showing your fans the process of making it, from the raw version to live and then to the record, it's all just so amazing and valuable to just have you share it all with us. I think that the value it has to everyone is different, whether it is in the actual song or the process or the interaction you have. So would it not all have value? I think so. I think that the value of this song, to me, is in the interaction you have with your fans. The involvment. You choose the song to broadcast throughout the process of making it. So to me it wouldn’t have mattered what song it was. The value I get from it is in the interaction. It makes me keep wanting to listen, it makes me keep reading and trying to stay updated. The value comes more from you sharing the process with your fans. It wouldn’t have mattered what song you chose. Choosing a song that matters to you, I believe matters to your fans. This online blogging and interacting and the fact that we know it is you writing and telling us about all of it… that is what really matters. You make amazing music, you have great band who your fans can see you work well with and you make magic in all of your songs, in your own unique way. “And So We Run” has this sort of new and exciting value because of the effort you put into showing your fans the process of making it, from the raw version to live and then to the record, it’s all just so amazing and valuable to just have you share it all with us.
I think that the value it has to everyone is different, whether it is in the actual song or the process or the interaction you have. So would it not all have value? I think so.

]]> By: yvette http://www.cloudid.com/2008/03/30/the-revolution-of-value/#comment-44 yvette Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:55:21 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=10#comment-44 That would be "shouldn't" and "interested"...I hate spelling mistakes...but I'm so excited by this topic! That would be “shouldn’t” and “interested”…I hate spelling mistakes…but I’m so excited by this topic!

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