Comments on: Google and Microsoft Square of in the Octagon. Why We Should Care. http://www.cloudid.com/2008/05/21/google-and-microsoft-square-of-in-the-octagon-why-we-should-care/ David Usher's blog on art, technology and the communication revolution Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:33:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: kevin http://www.cloudid.com/2008/05/21/google-and-microsoft-square-of-in-the-octagon-why-we-should-care/#comment-1165 kevin Fri, 30 May 2008 06:26:46 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=37#comment-1165 I've thought this subject over, and I dont think its safe to live in world where youre constantly worrying about what you say, or who you say it too, because it can be used against you. I think that kind of fear, inspires a certain paranoia and probably further adavances the likely hood that those sucesptable to paranoia will become disillusioned. Say what you have to say and be able to justify it. I dont worry about the big brother, i worry when I someone goes to jail unjustly, or the like. When that happens, its trouble. i dont like the idea that people are watching me, but at the same time I dont mind it, it makes me feel more connected to the source of all things. If were to complain about everything thats wrong with society, it would be hard to stop. But the idea of someone using the internet to access my information, likely means new laws will come into affect protecting idenity and intellectual property, its the future, like 100 years from now, ever wonder where thats going? I need to go listen to some hip hop. Way off topic. I’ve thought this subject over, and I dont think its safe to live in world where youre constantly worrying about what you say, or who you say it too, because it can be used against you. I think that kind of fear, inspires a certain paranoia and probably further adavances the likely hood that those sucesptable to paranoia will become disillusioned. Say what you have to say and be able to justify it. I dont worry about the big brother, i worry when I someone goes to jail unjustly, or the like. When that happens, its trouble. i dont like the idea that people are watching me, but at the same time I dont mind it, it makes me feel more connected to the source of all things. If were to complain about everything thats wrong with society, it would be hard to stop.

But the idea of someone using the internet to access my information, likely means new laws will come into affect protecting idenity and intellectual property, its the future, like 100 years from now, ever wonder where thats going?

I need to go listen to some hip hop.

Way off topic.

]]> By: Jonathan Belisle http://www.cloudid.com/2008/05/21/google-and-microsoft-square-of-in-the-octagon-why-we-should-care/#comment-1020 Jonathan Belisle Sun, 25 May 2008 19:42:46 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=37#comment-1020 A good read on how social networks and biological networks look alike can bring light on this critical subject. It is now obvious that we live in an Attention Economy that suck up on Stories based on Events that Fact-Based Stories. History is a tool...remember that what we call search is merely a quest for meaning at a deeper level....Serendipity and synchronicity can be experienced in many ways in this Social Holon (look for Ken Wilber and Jean Geybser). FaceBook is already over for me and now I am just having fun deconstructing my own social patterns to see what's behind them. I recently deactivated my facebook account (you cannot delete it). I came back after 1 week to make sure I made the right choice. I made the right choice. I followed my Intuition. A good read on how social networks and biological networks look alike can bring light on this critical subject.

It is now obvious that we live in an Attention Economy that suck up on Stories based on Events that Fact-Based Stories.

History is a tool…remember that what we call search is merely a quest for meaning at a deeper level….Serendipity and synchronicity can be experienced in many ways in this Social Holon (look for Ken Wilber and Jean Geybser).

FaceBook is already over for me and now I am just having fun deconstructing my own social patterns to see what’s behind them. I recently deactivated my facebook account (you cannot delete it). I came back after 1 week to make sure I made the right choice.

I made the right choice. I followed my Intuition.

]]> By: Nita http://www.cloudid.com/2008/05/21/google-and-microsoft-square-of-in-the-octagon-why-we-should-care/#comment-978 Nita Sat, 24 May 2008 20:42:09 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=37#comment-978 Isn't capitalism a wonderful thing? The problem with believing that the walled garden of Facebook allows you privacy is that it really doesn't. The general rule of "don't put it on the internet if you don't want everyone to see it," still applies. Isn’t capitalism a wonderful thing?

The problem with believing that the walled garden of Facebook allows you privacy is that it really doesn’t. The general rule of “don’t put it on the internet if you don’t want everyone to see it,” still applies.

]]> By: Svetlana http://www.cloudid.com/2008/05/21/google-and-microsoft-square-of-in-the-octagon-why-we-should-care/#comment-969 Svetlana Sat, 24 May 2008 11:19:55 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=37#comment-969 A curious project that is on the verge of absurdity and a riddle! Very unusual kind of solution! http://nosoproject.com A curious project that is on the verge of absurdity and a riddle! Very unusual kind of solution!
http://nosoproject.com

]]> By: Lalou http://www.cloudid.com/2008/05/21/google-and-microsoft-square-of-in-the-octagon-why-we-should-care/#comment-933 Lalou Fri, 23 May 2008 12:48:25 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=37#comment-933 What kind of solutions for that kind of problems? we are at the beginings of a new time and it means that we have to be carefull...web is not a inoffensive playground. we need to open our eyes and face it. and now, who will stop that fast-running machine??? What kind of solutions for that kind of problems?
we are at the beginings of a new time and it means that we have to be carefull…web is not a inoffensive playground. we need to open our eyes and face it. and now, who will stop that fast-running machine???

]]> By: Svetlana http://www.cloudid.com/2008/05/21/google-and-microsoft-square-of-in-the-octagon-why-we-should-care/#comment-916 Svetlana Thu, 22 May 2008 22:16:15 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=37#comment-916 To telo santos: it’s a good idea, telo! A basic education for users, where the 1st point should be: "read a privacy agreements properly!", because even privacy agreement may contain some confusing points. The WWW is pretty crowdy. Here exactly the same rules and principles work as in the real social life, I suppose. But compared with the reality, the virtuality is much more consuming. And this must be taken into account. As we care about privacy, we should care about cross-penetration of information, what already exists (indeed, Google or any search tool would only help this process) even more than about weird Big Brother. To telo santos: it’s a good idea, telo! A basic education for users, where the 1st point should be: “read a privacy agreements properly!”, because even privacy agreement may contain some confusing points.
The WWW is pretty crowdy. Here exactly the same rules and principles work as in the real social life, I suppose. But compared with the reality, the virtuality is much more consuming. And this must be taken into account.
As we care about privacy, we should care about cross-penetration of information, what already exists (indeed, Google or any search tool would only help this process) even more than about weird Big Brother.

]]> By: yvette http://www.cloudid.com/2008/05/21/google-and-microsoft-square-of-in-the-octagon-why-we-should-care/#comment-911 yvette Thu, 22 May 2008 20:05:16 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=37#comment-911 Big Brother is already out there. George Bush knows about that! We can all have cameras on our phones nowadays, so whatever you do or say can be public without you even knowing. In this day and age, especially in politics, we have to be very careful about what we say in private to others. People view the web as a diary of sorts without thinking that the things they put up on their sites will be there FOREVER! The private becomes public when we cross that line of UPLOAD. I say make responsible choices online.:-) I like being able to speak out, but knowing that 10 years from now my words could be used against me is a bit scary. How do we speak our minds without censoring the conversation. I think that it's healthier to get things out in the open where people can begin to have a conversation but how do we do that without the fear of Big Brother breaking our backs? @Telo : Yes, Capitalism is a tricky subject. Without it we wouldn't advance, but with it there will always be those that hold power over us. The cool thing is at least we are given opportunities to get a piece of the pie (if that's what you want). Yes, there are inequities...it's not perfect...but what other model works for us? Big Brother is already out there. George Bush knows about that! We can all have cameras on our phones nowadays, so whatever you do or say can be public without you even knowing. In this day and age, especially in politics, we have to be very careful about what we say in private to others. People view the web as a diary of sorts without thinking that the things they put up on their sites will be there FOREVER! The private becomes public when we cross that line of UPLOAD. I say make responsible choices online.:-) I like being able to speak out, but knowing that 10 years from now my words could be used against me is a bit scary. How do we speak our minds without censoring the conversation. I think that it’s healthier to get things out in the open where people can begin to have a conversation but how do we do that without the fear of Big Brother breaking our backs?
@Telo : Yes, Capitalism is a tricky subject. Without it we wouldn’t advance, but with it there will always be those that hold power over us. The cool thing is at least we are given opportunities to get a piece of the pie (if that’s what you want). Yes, there are inequities…it’s not perfect…but what other model works for us?

]]> By: telo santos http://www.cloudid.com/2008/05/21/google-and-microsoft-square-of-in-the-octagon-why-we-should-care/#comment-902 telo santos Thu, 22 May 2008 16:47:56 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=37#comment-902 for Svetlana: i think people should be educated about the web...how to control leisure and online time...not all internet users are educated in that sense...filter whatever needs to be filtered..and about capitalism, there's not much a normal being can do to fix that..it's all up to the big guys for Svetlana: i think people should be educated about the web…how to control leisure and online time…not all internet users are educated in that sense…filter whatever needs to be filtered..and about capitalism, there’s not much a normal being can do to fix that..it’s all up to the big guys

]]> By: kevin http://www.cloudid.com/2008/05/21/google-and-microsoft-square-of-in-the-octagon-why-we-should-care/#comment-897 kevin Thu, 22 May 2008 14:24:56 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=37#comment-897 I think the web is an essential danger zone, and tool for coroporate domination, although it can be used as a reference. The way we communicte is being used against us, and it seems as if we are unable to stop the wheels from turning. But we do how live in capatalizm, where we are a observed and accounted for, written direclty to via advertisments (by coporations) Not by caring people. This is the problem. If Corporations, dropped money as the bottom line, then the world would be a hell of a lot better. Come on microsoft how rish is enough? When can you genuinely do whats in the interest of the public. I was thinkinig of it the other day, and its as if corporations are essential governing us, as a goverment would. This is dangers because essential we have no say. look at this way, the more you have to be ashammed off, the more you are vulnerable to abuse, the more you allow yourself to take part in the transaction of capatalism, instead of generally trensending by, staying beneath the radar, and simply going with the flow (and I know this sounds niave and maybe cynical but its not intended that way) the more youre going to be a victim of the injustices of north america, look at the injustices of asian, china, even. Its locked in now with the war on terror, there's no escaping the inevitable. i should mention I have schizophrenia, and I have not slept all night. But I am not psychotic in case you were wondering. I think the web is an essential danger zone, and tool for coroporate domination, although it can be used as a reference. The way we communicte is being used against us, and it seems as if we are unable to stop the wheels from turning. But we do how live in capatalizm, where we are a observed and accounted for, written direclty to via advertisments (by coporations) Not by caring people. This is the problem. If Corporations, dropped money as the bottom line, then the world would be a hell of a lot better. Come on microsoft how rish is enough? When can you genuinely do whats in the interest of the public. I was thinkinig of it the other day, and its as if corporations are essential governing us, as a goverment would. This is dangers because essential we have no say.

look at this way, the more you have to be ashammed off, the more you are vulnerable to abuse, the more you allow yourself to take part in the transaction of capatalism, instead of generally trensending by, staying beneath the radar, and simply going with the flow (and I know this sounds niave and maybe cynical but its not intended that way) the more youre going to be a victim of the injustices of north america, look at the injustices of asian, china, even. Its locked in now with the war on terror, there’s no escaping the inevitable.
i should mention I have schizophrenia, and I have not slept all night. But I am not psychotic in case you were wondering.

]]> By: Svetlana http://www.cloudid.com/2008/05/21/google-and-microsoft-square-of-in-the-octagon-why-we-should-care/#comment-895 Svetlana Thu, 22 May 2008 12:28:07 +0000 http://www.cloudid.com/?p=37#comment-895 It is unpleasant to realize, that somebody can watch and control your social network, but it should be not only conspiracy suspicions, but more common sense, I think. Who can need it and why? And whoever really needs data, finds he want to know by any way. If someone cares about their privacy, should think several times, placing data into the Web. Illusion is only illusion, not a a guarantee. That's my opinion. It is unpleasant to realize, that somebody can watch and control your social network, but it should be not only conspiracy suspicions, but more common sense, I think.
Who can need it and why? And whoever really needs data, finds he want to know by any way.
If someone cares about their privacy, should think several times, placing data into the Web. Illusion is only illusion, not a a guarantee. That’s my opinion.

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