Google and Microsoft Square of in the Octagon. Why We Should Care.
Fact or fiction.
Robert Scoble wrote a great post in which he theorized that the reason Facebook rebuffed Google Connect is because Microsoft is planning to buy Facebook, Yahoo and Yahoo Search. This would give Microsoft, through Yahoo search, access to the wealth of information that is contained within Facebook’s walled garden. In essence a large private part Internet, with information that is not available to Google search on the World Wide Web.
“…these two moves would change everything and totally explain why Facebook is working overtime to keep Google from importing anything. First, let’s look at what is at stake here:
Loic Le Meur did a little test with me a couple of weeks ago. He listed his Le Web conference on both Facebook and Upcoming.org. Here’s the Facebook listing. Here’s the Upcoming.org one.
The Facebook one can’t be seen if you don’t have a Facebook account. It’s NOT open to the public Web. Google’s spiders CAN NOT REACH IT.
He put both listings up at exactly the same time and did no invites, nothing. Just let people find these listings on their own.
The Facebook one is NOT available to the Web. It has 467 people who’ve accepted it. The Upcoming.org one IS available to Google and the Web. It has 101 people on it.
This is a fight for the Web. We all just crawled inside a box that locks Google out.”
Now Facebook is not the whole web by any means with “only” 70 million users, but it would give Microsoft a toehold and might well bring competition back to search. We all know that Vista is a bust and that computing is moving to the “clouds”. Microsoft needs to get on the web to stay relevant.
Why should we give a sh%t:
Because whoever controls ‘search’ has immense control and power to determine how we connect to each other and to the world online. Search is our relationship to everything on the Web. It is amazing realize that what Facebook has really created is a privately owned and controlled part of the Internet. All our informations locked in their shoebox.
Do you worry about BIg Brother controlling what you see?
Is this all fact or just good old conspiracy theory fiction?
People talking about this:
Mathew Ingram
Mike Arrington
Umair Haque
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I do worry control of what i see. i recently heard on the news that microsoft withdraw their offer of buying yahoo. It wouldnt surprise me to see them trying to put a hand on facebook, but im wondering how facebook community would react to it. Its great to have a certain control on what people can and cannot see. Maybe people will simply move to the next big thing, maybe that’s what we appreciate about facebook, a little feeling of control.
Im wondering if its an isolate case for “la toile du québec”? It became a great search engine for french canadians websites at the end of the 90’s but when people got used to it, somewhere in 00’s they started to make people pay to appear in results. Im very surprise it still is running. I dont think money should take over relevance.
I’m a big facebook fan for many reasons, including the illusion of privacy. being able to do something within a walled garden and away from the spiders that crawl around indexing everything is not a bad thing. however, it is MY information and I should be able to do whatever I want with it including making it searcheable, exportable and available to other services like twitter or friend feed. microsoft buying facebook in my opinion is overall a bad thing and will make things more closed.
i don’t like google controlling over everything….with google you can basically look for a person’s address, virtually…i don’t even think it’s a good idea for google earth to be invented…maybe it’s good for business organizations but for people living in houses, no way man..we need privacy… (i’m just kidding google, i don’t want myself to be in your black list)
From what I know, Facebook was created after 9/11 in NY to.. increase control; the CIA has access to everyone’s profiles. There was an article in the London Financial Times about it.
Noam Chomsky has a bunch of books and lectures about “manufacturing consent” … we should care because it’s what allows the world to be so f*ck@d up, corporate power running the world.
It is unpleasant to realize, that somebody can watch and control your social network, but it should be not only conspiracy suspicions, but more common sense, I think.
Who can need it and why? And whoever really needs data, finds he want to know by any way.
If someone cares about their privacy, should think several times, placing data into the Web. Illusion is only illusion, not a a guarantee. That’s my opinion.
I think the web is an essential danger zone, and tool for coroporate domination, although it can be used as a reference. The way we communicte is being used against us, and it seems as if we are unable to stop the wheels from turning. But we do how live in capatalizm, where we are a observed and accounted for, written direclty to via advertisments (by coporations) Not by caring people. This is the problem. If Corporations, dropped money as the bottom line, then the world would be a hell of a lot better. Come on microsoft how rish is enough? When can you genuinely do whats in the interest of the public. I was thinkinig of it the other day, and its as if corporations are essential governing us, as a goverment would. This is dangers because essential we have no say.
look at this way, the more you have to be ashammed off, the more you are vulnerable to abuse, the more you allow yourself to take part in the transaction of capatalism, instead of generally trensending by, staying beneath the radar, and simply going with the flow (and I know this sounds niave and maybe cynical but its not intended that way) the more youre going to be a victim of the injustices of north america, look at the injustices of asian, china, even. Its locked in now with the war on terror, there’s no escaping the inevitable.
i should mention I have schizophrenia, and I have not slept all night. But I am not psychotic in case you were wondering.
for Svetlana: i think people should be educated about the web…how to control leisure and online time…not all internet users are educated in that sense…filter whatever needs to be filtered..and about capitalism, there’s not much a normal being can do to fix that..it’s all up to the big guys
Big Brother is already out there. George Bush knows about that! We can all have cameras on our phones nowadays, so whatever you do or say can be public without you even knowing. In this day and age, especially in politics, we have to be very careful about what we say in private to others. People view the web as a diary of sorts without thinking that the things they put up on their sites will be there FOREVER! The private becomes public when we cross that line of UPLOAD. I say make responsible choices online.:-) I like being able to speak out, but knowing that 10 years from now my words could be used against me is a bit scary. How do we speak our minds without censoring the conversation. I think that it’s healthier to get things out in the open where people can begin to have a conversation but how do we do that without the fear of Big Brother breaking our backs?
@Telo : Yes, Capitalism is a tricky subject. Without it we wouldn’t advance, but with it there will always be those that hold power over us. The cool thing is at least we are given opportunities to get a piece of the pie (if that’s what you want). Yes, there are inequities…it’s not perfect…but what other model works for us?
To telo santos: it’s a good idea, telo! A basic education for users, where the 1st point should be: “read a privacy agreements properly!”, because even privacy agreement may contain some confusing points.
The WWW is pretty crowdy. Here exactly the same rules and principles work as in the real social life, I suppose. But compared with the reality, the virtuality is much more consuming. And this must be taken into account.
As we care about privacy, we should care about cross-penetration of information, what already exists (indeed, Google or any search tool would only help this process) even more than about weird Big Brother.
What kind of solutions for that kind of problems?
we are at the beginings of a new time and it means that we have to be carefull…web is not a inoffensive playground. we need to open our eyes and face it. and now, who will stop that fast-running machine???
A curious project that is on the verge of absurdity and a riddle! Very unusual kind of solution!
http://nosoproject.com
Isn’t capitalism a wonderful thing?
The problem with believing that the walled garden of Facebook allows you privacy is that it really doesn’t. The general rule of “don’t put it on the internet if you don’t want everyone to see it,” still applies.
A good read on how social networks and biological networks look alike can bring light on this critical subject.
It is now obvious that we live in an Attention Economy that suck up on Stories based on Events that Fact-Based Stories.
History is a tool…remember that what we call search is merely a quest for meaning at a deeper level….Serendipity and synchronicity can be experienced in many ways in this Social Holon (look for Ken Wilber and Jean Geybser).
FaceBook is already over for me and now I am just having fun deconstructing my own social patterns to see what’s behind them. I recently deactivated my facebook account (you cannot delete it). I came back after 1 week to make sure I made the right choice.
I made the right choice. I followed my Intuition.
I’ve thought this subject over, and I dont think its safe to live in world where youre constantly worrying about what you say, or who you say it too, because it can be used against you. I think that kind of fear, inspires a certain paranoia and probably further adavances the likely hood that those sucesptable to paranoia will become disillusioned. Say what you have to say and be able to justify it. I dont worry about the big brother, i worry when I someone goes to jail unjustly, or the like. When that happens, its trouble. i dont like the idea that people are watching me, but at the same time I dont mind it, it makes me feel more connected to the source of all things. If were to complain about everything thats wrong with society, it would be hard to stop.
But the idea of someone using the internet to access my information, likely means new laws will come into affect protecting idenity and intellectual property, its the future, like 100 years from now, ever wonder where thats going?
I need to go listen to some hip hop.
Way off topic.